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Do the names Ted Haggard, Bill Hybels, and Jimmy Swaggart mean anything to you?  Yes, they are high-flying pastors who became known for the scandals they caused. Why do scandals by pastors keep happening?

This week we’re talking with Jake Morrill, former pastor at Oak Ridge Unitarian Universalist Church and member of the faculty of the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family. Jake, through his work in counseling and the lens of Bowen Family Systems Theory, will give us some insight into this fascinating… but devastating… problem.